Some members still have "BOBname" as a category.

~ synk_ (12/31/05)

But Kalium is Jewish!

I proofread some entries.

-cockEd (12/31/05 0032 EST)

Stole Lock from Kalium, as he had it for 99 minutes. It doens't take that long to add something to the comments.

I'd also like to congradulate whoever put the diff command into the changes. that was brilliant.

-Gharbad (12/30/05 2328 CST)

Festive addition to TS's entry.

~Sam (26/12/05, 1644 GMT)

Added quote to IRC, 'cause I'm 1337.

-cockEd (12/23/05 1918 EST)

Uh-oh, double post. ;P Cleaned up a couple of problems with Flamingo's entry. Tweak to Fellowship of the Wang. As it were.

~Sam (23/12/05, 1112 GMT)

I don't recall what the original Radio entry looked like, but currently, there's no actual explanation of what the project is about. I think that's sort of important before one goes into the nitty-gritty of booking a timeslot...

~Sam (22/12/05, 0237 GMT)

I added more technical info to the ClanBOB Radio page regarding broadcasts.

- ACPaco (12/21/05 3:59PM EST)

Edits to Darlid's and CelticFox's entries for content and style, and to the IRC in order to shuffle round the quotes a bit.

~Sam (21/12/05, 1148 GMT)

I edited a couple more member pages, adding a bit more to them. Darlid and reno. I will probably continue adding a bit more content until I get tired and go to bed. Some of my entries may need to be fact-checked, as I am writing things that I remember but do not know for absolute certainty. And my memory can sometimes be a bit hazy.

-Kai (12/21/05 0250 EST)

I changed the name of the wiki from clanbob to ClanBOB and added a random link tag to the sidebar, JUST BECAUSE I CAN.

- Agent ####1 (12/21/05 0123 EST)

I added a bit more info to KissMyKitty, CelticFox, and 2-D. Some of what I added may not be perfectly accurate or well worded. Specifically the last phrase of the explanation for 2-D's bobname. If I get bored later, I might look for some more entries that I can add some more information to.

-Kai (12/20/05 2128 EST)

Things like Kai sucks and Rev wins are in the univeral constants section, you silly unobservant mang.

-cockEd (12/20/05 0920 EST)

We actually have a member named 'retarded'? He's listed on the Frappr list..

Oh, and do you think we should make a section for phrases used that refer to specific BOBs(IE 'Kai sucks' or 'Rev wins'), put them under BOBisms, or discard them entirely?

-Vercalos (12/19/05 2347 PST)

Added Operation: Clothesline to the wiki. This is a draft copy of the operation outline. Feel free to edit it, though Agent and Kai will have the final say in it.

-cockEd (19/12/05 1730 EST)

Updated the Frappr list with all th people who added themselves without editing the wiki entry, too.

-ACPaco (12/18/05 6:14PM EST)

Added myself to the frappr page as well.

-Vercalos (12/18/05 1103 PST)

Hey all, added myself to the frappr page if that's okay. I am listed as in Toronto on the frappr site since it does not consider Mississauga a real city for some odd reason, but on the wiki I have my true address. Also fixed the spelling of Manitoba.

~Pat the vupine (17/12/05, 2305 EST)

I can understand your frustration, Gharbad -- I've now mentioned it in the forum thread, where it will hopefully be seen by more people.

BOBname, we decided, wasn't a category because all BOBnames are now being included on the Members page. It therefore doesn't require a separate list or category, just the entry it already has.

Regarding the non-crew groups like AZBOBs, Three Musketeers et al. I see a very simple solution -- don't put them in a category at all. Simply link them from other entries where appropriate, as I did initially with the Fellowship of the Wang (not sure why that was taken out of the relevant member entries, to be honest). Since there's no simple way to lump them together, why bother? :)

~Sam, going to bed (17/12/05, 0442 GMT)

Meh, it was just a complaint at the time.

Question: Is BOBname a category? Some pages have it listed and others don't. Can we come to a consensus on this?

Comment on Crews: what are we doing with this. I do agree with Sam, but I also see Inferno's point. I mean, many people don't like crews. Not everyone, but for a good deal of people, crews represent something annoying about the forum. To include every group in the crews (which, really should also include the stinys as well) seems wrong. They were never crews in the classic sense. But, if we're going to make a new category for subgroups (like AZBOBs, the three musketeers etc), we'll have to put crews as a listing in the subgroup. I dunno. It's up to you guys what we do with the groups.

-Gharbad (12/16/05, 2330 EST)

Fixed Gharbad's complaint about style issues, since I don't really think it belongs in an individual entry. ;)

Also: added comments to the Three Musketeers and Crews; embellished Kerith's entry a tad; tidied up some grammar and layout.

~Sam (17/12/05, 0415 GMT)

Fixed some style issues.

-Gharbad

I added some information for my tank "crew" and, consequently, created an entry for CelticFox. It needs more information, I believe.

- synkr0nized (12/16/05, 0009 EST)

Aside from a slight alteration in the way the ads are displayed, I see no changes. What's meant to have altered?

~Sam (15/12/05, 2024 GMT)

The dudes who host the wiki updated, apparently. I like the change. It's not ass like it used to be.

-cockEd (12/15/05 1044 EST)

Woah. What happened to the formatting of the wiki?

-Gharbad (12/15/05 0209 EST)

Added a link to PA comic in question.

-cockEd (14/12/05 0007 EST)

Made a few changes, like the origin of you have cancer.

-Gharbad (12/13/05 2305 EST)

I'll admit that though I understand a lot about spelling and grammar in English, I have little knowledge in idioms like that. Thank you for correcting me and bringing it to my attention such that in future I might improve my ways.

PEW PEW LASORS

-cockEd (12/13/05 1936 EST)

"With a vengeance" is three words, 'Ferno. >:) Changed.

~Sam (14/12/05, 0022 GMT)

Added entry for KissMyKitty. I hate her so much. Writing that entry was fun. Is that a conflict of interest I smell? OHJKNOSE! Luckily, this wiki isn't a real publication! Kekekekeke

-cockEd (12/13/05 1428 EST)

Info on #kevex added to the IRC page and crossref added to Resources box on Home page.

I do wonder if the Logs quotes shouldn't actually be in the Logs entry, if only because Rev's note about the five-minute refresh makes an excellent final line for the IRC entry. :)

I've also shifted the Frappr map off the sidebar, which is becoming overly crowded anyway, and stuck it in the Resources box, which strikes me as the most sensible place for it.

~Sam (13/12/05, 1230 GMT)

Just some proofreading stuff. "Internet" is capitalized, you silly BOBs.

-cockEd (12/12/05 1335 EST)

I added the Frappr! Map to the sidebar. I feel it's a feature right up there with the BOBcams. I added an alphabetical listing of everyone involved, remember if you add yourself to the map you should add yourself to the list. I also added His Fattness to the Members list.

- ACPaco (12/12/05, 8:42AM EST)

Taco's amendment to cain's entry changed to a comment. Read the style-guide, Taco. >:)

~Sam (10/12/05, 1517 GMT)

Should Dreg's entry really be under Dreg4Life?. I mean, no one ever calls him that. He only ever uses it on the ezboard forum. It's not like Emoore's entry is under "em00re."

-AGENT NUMBER ONE (2005-12-09T00:26:15 UTC-5)

BOBname added to Dreg's entry.

~Sam (8/12/05, 1414 GMT)

Member page for Dreg4Life added.

-Panther (12/08/2005 12:00 AM EST)

Made a few style changes as I saw them. -Gharbad (12/6/05 2150 EST)

I just created Draven Ordel's page and added a couple of minor things to InfoBOB's, Syrra's, and JT's.

-Panther (12/06/2005 7:33 PM EST)

I'm not sure, guys and gals, that we should have things like housebobnorther in the same entry as forum-only creations with the word 'crew' actually in the name. The latter are purely arbitrary and generally annoying, whereas there is at least some historical basis for the former.

Otherwise, Ahab's entries put into style; belated mention of additions to jess0's entry.

~Sam (6/12/05, 1735 GMT)

Changed BOBisms and Crews to reflect their inherent differences. Crews is now a subsection of Members and BOBisms, and crews are listing in Crews rather than BOBisms.

-cockEd (12/06/05 1220 EST)

I see no problems with listing external links, provided that they are relevant.

Like ACPaco's link is fine, since it's relevant. I like the style and location, too. I'll add it to the style guide.

EDIT: Xoas is a retard.

-cockEd (12/05/05 2355 EST)

I'm really not convinced that trying to make sense of ClanBOB politics here is a good idea, Kal, not least because people are bound to disagree with what's been said about them. That said, it's your entry, so I've amended rather than erased. :)

I've tweaked Xae's entry slightly (mostly boxing his comment) and made BeS's more coherent (though on reflection, that could have been a mistake), as well as adding a line to Taco's Refresh Syndrome entry. Phant added to Members. Other minor changes to formatting, syntax and style.

As a matter of policy, folks, how do we feel about external links to personal websites and such in members' entries?

~Sam (5/12/05, 1430 GMT)

Oh my god, I am so sorry. The orange thing was my fault, I thought the changes were only for my personal browsing (like changing your ezBoard account layout or skins for Steam). My bad.

-ACPaco (12/4/05 11:42AM EST)

Fixed orange.

-cockEd (12/4/05 1052 EST)

Why are we orange? It looks very ugly. I liked our grey look before. Does anyone know if the change was something we controled or something that was forced upon us? If we can change it, it would be awesome if you did change it back. -Gharbad (12/4/05 1003 EST)

Wow, look how orange and fanciful we are now! Yeah, I added a link to DeathScythe in your Add Reply thing, paco.

-Black Mage No XIVII (12/4/05. 3:13 CET)

Hey, I just realized we have two Mercan entries. Be careful about the case sensitivity.

-ACPaco (12/4/05 8:17AM EST)

Oh look, a comments page! Yeah, I did some spell checking on my own entry and added mine and CC's birthday way back when, and just now I edited some on cain's and added DeathScythe.

-Black Mage No XIVII (12/4/05. 1:52 CET)

I added some Franger-related items and, as requsted by Black Mage, my birthday. I added the birthday line to the member profile template in the guidelines, too.

-ACPaco (12/4/05. 7:52AM EST)

I've started trying to map the internal Politics of the Clan. Any help would be appreciated.

-Kalium(12/3/05. 1243 EST)

Edited Xoas's entry, for it contained the beginings of elitist propaganda. Also added a link to the nonexistant wikipage of BattleForms if someone wants to add something to that, it would be appreciated.

-Gharbad (12/3/05. 1225 EST)

Fixed up my member entry and added the truth about 'Add Reply' in a disclaimer above the document.

-ACPaco (Dec 2, 2005. 9:40PM, EST)

Added crews and a quote. It was a very awesometastic quote. Oh Rev, you and your phone escapades.

-Gharbad (Dec 2, 2005. 6pm EST)

Some typos and style issues fixed, and a couple of paragraphs swapped around.

~Sam, (2/12/05, 1202GMT)

Edited DaO's page, which he added himself.

-Gharbad (12/1/05 1630 EST)

Added Herem to members, edited Kazin's

-Keigo (30/11/05 1429 PST)

Oh shit, I am back. I kept forgetting that I should come back and check up on this.

I'm not sure what else to say.

-Kai (30/11/05 1354 EST)

People involved will create entries for them if they think they're appropriate. In the case of the martial arts crew, since it never really was a crew in the usual sense, probably not. Also: Taco's back -- entry amended to reflect the fact, and pcount entry edited for grammar.

~Sam (30/11/05, 1249 GMT)

Think we should add a section for 'Sub-groups'? IE Slashtopia, Martial arts crew, Stinies, etc. I'd do it myself, but I know virtually nothing about the respective groups.-Vercalos (2257 11/29/05)

Slight change to infobob entry. Can't even remember what it was, now. <:)

~Sam (28/11/05, 2350 GMT, still in the office...)

Should excerpts from the Logs in the IRC section be in grey quote style?

As far as changes go, paragraph tweakage and substitution of leaderBOBs for Members category in Mods entry. Bed.

~Sam (28/11/05, 0111 GMT)

English's neuter pronoun is "it". Though since most people don't like being called "it", we use "he" instead. It's the neuter personal pronoun. If you don't want to use "he", then as long as you don't use "they" (as in "he or she"), it's correct. "They" and "she" are never correct. "He" and "he or she" are always correct, though I can't understand why anyone would write out "he or she" when he could just write out "he" instead.

-cockEd (11/27/05 1913 EST)

Formating question: what pronouns are we using for third person genderless singular. As much as "he", "his" etc are supposedly genderless, they are not obviously so. But, if you want to be a grammar nazi about it, and make sure that we use he instead of he/she, he or she, (s)he or any other unambiguous third person genderless pronoun, can we make a note in the style guide. Pick one format and use it everywhere. It looks better that way.

-Gharbad (11/27/05 1900 EST)

I wasn't aware that we had a different style for comments distinguishing them from quotes at the time I made that comment. It's fixed now.

-cockEd (11/27/05 1525 EST)

Lots of syntax and formatting tweaks. Comment added to imagirl. Slight amendments to entries for sporks, Aibohportposie and blargh, and BOBname deleted from the Categories: section of several others. Half-Life entry added.

'Ferno, you've got a comment in grey rather than white in Zeruel's entry. Amusing note, but was the switch to quote-style intentional?

~Sam (27/11/05, 1918 GMT)

Deleted 1337 page. Also move a lot of comments to the archives. Maybe too many but whatever. Also, again, who's changing the time? I had to change it back again today. Enjoy your day of fixing the wiki.

-Gharbad

:( Fine.

-cockEd (11/27/05 0025 EST)

Inferno, you created a 1337 page. I think that Wikipedia does a much better job that you could ever do at describing leet. If you don't mind I'm going to delete your entry and instead link the wikipedia article. Oh, and I've added a bunch of pages.

-Gharbad

Someone needs to smack Steltek in the organ responsible for causing him to ignore the style rules outlined in the BOBStyle page. He made several Members additions, which I subsequently overhauled and fixed.

EDIT: I added some BOBisms and stuck Nick's BOBname in his entry.

EDIT 2, electric boogaloo: BOBname is not a category any more. We changed it; merging its list of names with the Members list and changing BOBname into a definition/explanation only rather than a category. If you're editing a page that links to BOBname as a category, please remove the offending link. Thanks.

EDIT 3, the revenge: I basically just went through a fucktonne of pages and made sure their categories and style fit with my disturbingly high expectations.

-cockEd (11/26/05 2248 EST) (month/day/year FTW)

It's a case of "add 'em if you know 'em", I think, Verc.

Zeruel's entry amended to mention that he's an AussieBOB. And to make it a bit longer. ;) Milkdud and Gwai added to Members list; two sentences rolled together in Pandar's entry.

~Sam (26/11/05, 1207 GMT)

I corrected the order of the Member's Page. Some of the members were listed out of alphabetical order. By the way, should we add AKAs to the list for those who had different names within ClanBOB, e.g. Guido/DC?

-Vercalos (11/25/05, 1917 PST)

Categories bar added to Colphin's entry (which I note has no comment re its addition here) and comma splice removed.

~Sam (25/11/05, 1758 GMT)

I have no idea how to organize these. Should we keep all old comments on one page like this, or should we split them up somehow? This is where timestamps come in handy...

Whoever is changing the ClanBOB wiki timezone, please stop. ClanBOB's timezone should be set to EST, which is Florida's (and therefore the leaderBOB's) timezone. Since ClanBOB is theirs (technically), we should keep it in their timezone.

-cockEd (11/24/05 1932 EST)

Verc, if you want to add something, add it. That's the whole point of wiki's. If you don't know if it's appropriate, or if you think that it could be done better... or if you just want people to consider it discussion, use the comments format.

Edit: I moved some comments to the old comments section. Didn't really want to add another comment for this, as it was done at the same time as this comment.

-Gharbad (11/24/05 1905 EST)

Could we add the following to the InfoBOB page?

* user shoots InfoBOB *

<InfoBOB> Ow dammit!

Out of all the things InfoBOB did, I found that one the most amusing(well the first time I did it I wasn't expecting a reaction, which made it funnier). By the way, I'm not sure why, but these boxes seem to mess up tables.

-Vercalos (11/24/05 0909 PST)

Putting quotes in the IRC entry was Nick's idea. He told me to put that quote in 'cause I'm awesome. I guess that was the whole reason Nick made an IRC entry in the first place: for listing ClanBOB quotes like Bash.org or something.

-cockEd (11/24/05 1036 EST)

I think it's good to have these things documented. And that IRC quote you added is the best thing ever, 'Ferno. :D

Other than that, minor change to NationStates entry.

~Sam (24/11/05, 1216 GMT)

I added a variety of ACPaco-related things, including creating a new category Documents for things like Mopping_101 and AddReply. Modifying AddReply was no simple matter. I consider it time well spent, though.

-cockEd (11/23/05 2188 EST)

No worries, Gharbad. I know all too well how easy it is to run out of time while tinkering with stuff online. :) I'm pretty sure Barmaid was capped, so I propose to leave it for now; if anyone knows better, they can change it.

~Sam (24/11/05, 0101 GMT)

Oops, sorry Sam. I was pressed for time, and wanted to add a few things before classes. Also, I would check to see if A Barmaid was capitalized originally. I cannot remember if It was.

-Gharbad (23/11/05, 1637 EST)

Those who made changes before mine today did not log them. Damn them! Someone also cannot read, given that RoK was mentioned twice in Dzl's profile. ;P~~ Fixed, along with minor edits and the addition of a NationStates section to Projects.

~Sam (23/11/05, 1920 GMT)

I'm an honorary wikiBOB? I'm touched. And not just in the head either.

By the way, I added my current avatar(the full version) to my member page. Don't worry, I didn't use any of the space on the wiki, I hotlinked it from my own image place. If any of the BOBs want their avatars on their webpages, I advise they follow my example(which I feel is a good one in this instance)

-Vercalos (11/22/05 2219 PST)

I see myself more as Sweetums than Godzilla.

~Sam

You monster.

-cockEd (22/11/05 BLOR EST)

Looks good. The Changes page might say just I've edited the page again, but I didn't change anything; I just wanted a look at the code you'd used and clicked save rather than cancel. Doh.

~Sam

They were crashing because you caught me editing them. :) They're fine now, if not better than they were before.

-cockEd (22/11/05 1042 EST)

The BOBcams are crashing into the sidebar again, 'Ferno, at least in FF/Moz.

Otherwise, the "--- " rule+CR added before "Categories" to a number of entries and wikiguide updated to include the space. I'll add it in elsewhere as necessary.

~Sam (22/11/05, 1537 GMT)

Corrected my entry. I do Quality Control, not Quality Assurance. And added my mastery over accents and cedillas.

¸MEJ (22/11/05)

Link to forums added to Forums page. Couple of minor edits to other sections.

Kai, you'll have to be quicker if you want to create entries. We're filling up. ;)

~Sam (22/11/05, 1249 GMT)

Fixed the bobname on Peregrinus's page (was it cain that did that? (NO)) Anyway, the name was right, but the nature of it automatically turned it into a link, so I put ~ in front of it, making it plain text. Try to watch out for that; it happens when words have lower case letters between capital letters or somesuch. I don't know why they do it.

Also added a bit to inferno's entry about some people not liking him and why. Hopefully some day I will have more to add than just minor changes. I keep meaning to try to add a bunch of content, but yeah. I'm off for the night, though.

Finally, I never wanted clanbob links red because I thought it was funny. It was more of a symbolic thing to me. But if cain is taking care of it, I look forward to what he comes up with.

-Kai (11/22/05 0024 EST)

I said i'd Handle it.

~cain

Either don't link clanbob each time, or I'll have to keep making it blue, with stupid pages. I think that linking it back to the main page is a fine compromise, as it really isn't defining anything new. But it makes it blue. I still disagree that it's funny to have it red. I've seen only one example of a funny red link, and that's on the UD forums where it says "STOP: before continuing, read our image policy" and the image policy is red. That's funny. Having clanbob red is just stupid.

-Gharbad (11/21/05 2345 EST)

I'll Handle it.

~cain (11/21/05 Night)

There is no reason to have any of the ClanBOB links link back to the front page. There are already 4 links back to there on any given page from the title at the top of the page, the two menus, and the sidebar. Any link back to clanbob.net is fine, except for the front page, which already has one. I'm going to keep changing it back if you guys keep getting it wrong.

-Agent #1 (11/22/05 2251 PST)

Anyone else considering springing for the premium?

-Vercalos (11/22/05 1924 PST)

How about "solicitously slowly"? At least you have some alliteration, there.

Couple of pre-bedtime edits made. Now, I sleep.

~Sam (22/11/05, 0210 GMT)

I don't like the Aural aspects of "punctiliously slowly"

~cain (11/21/05 2008 CST)

Dexeron's entry added and Tech-ArtistBOB explained somewhat. Manda's entry amended to include a link to the fanboy tazer strip, which amused me. Thread necromancy comment added. Atari's post edited, as indicated. Sidebar reformated. Other minor changes.

And I dunno about "very slow", cain; I prefer "punctilious". :)

~Sam (22/11/05, 0057 GMT)

Sounds good to me. Go ahead if you think you know the HTML well enough. I'll do it otherwise.

Just a heads up, you really need to work on your punctuation. Spaces come after most punctuation marks. I noticed Sam actually editted your comment in lenzflare due to its unreadibility.

-cockEd (11/21/05 1948 EST)

Just wondering, would it be easy to add the wikilinks of the people on the BOBcams page? I was going to do it but didn't want to screw up the formatting. Also added that BOBcams and Post your picture thread are exceptions to ThreadNecromancy-AtariDeath (11/21/05 1945 EST)

I'm just cocking around proofreading and making things easier to read.

-cockEd (11/21/05 1700 EST)

I've been changing most ClanBOB references to simply link back to the main page, while ones pretaining to the website are linked there. I think this works better than what was previously suggested. Also, nitpicking.

Viva La Raza!

~cain (21/11/05, 1520 CST)

A couple of minor tweaks to various pages, including cain's recent entries and TS's profile, which I now propose to leave alone. :)

Happy birthday, 'Ferno!

~Sam (21/11/05, 2050 GMT)

Fine. That being the case, though, we should definitely put something about the gaming aspect of the early clan into the timeline.

TS's and BM's BOBnames added to their entries; small addition to Manda's; mention of the FF online element of DiD.

~Sam (21/11/05, 1419 GMT)

As for the ClanBOB page. Most of us think it's better to leave it undefined. Agent and synk have stated that they'll go out of their ways to delete it, whereas I think only gharbad is actively creating the page. Most of us don't care, but still think it's funnier if the entry doesn't exist. I think our official standpoint is to get rid of the entry, since that seems to be what the majority wants.

-cockEd (11/21/05 842 EST)

I've noticed that "---" returns a different format from "--- ", the latter leaving a carriage return between the rule and the next entry. A lot of the members' entries appear with the extra spacing. Do we want to make all that way, for consistency?

WRT the timeline, I've noticed there's no mention of ClanBOB being a gaming clan as well as a webcomic host. I don't want to make the change myself, since I'm not sure of the specifics, but I think that should be mentioned there. I had put a brief note about it on the ClanBOB entry, but that seems to have been deleted entirely.

Also, Gweed's, Blink's and Keigo's entries amended and Archangel Zeruel added to the members list. Other minor changes.

~Sam (21/11/05, 1209 GMT)

Added more content to the Horseporn incident.

Oh, also, added Blink to the memberlist.

*Guido, (11/21/2005 stupid o'clock PST.)

White Panther and Tendo added to members list, and basic entries set up. Truthsnark's entry expanded. Furries entry added, since someone mentioned them in HDS's entry. Red links to Urban Dead and Three Musketeers entries corrected. Fellowship of the Wang references added to members' pages as appropriate. Usual minor edits for style and grammar.

~Sam, wasting time at work (21/11/05, 1108 GMT)

I'm removing titles with spaces, replacing them with underscores or no spaces, depending on the thing. I think I'll do no spaces mostly.

EDIT: This task is done. There are no more spaces in any titles; however, red links have been created as part of the process.

-cockEd (11/20/05 (Happy birthday me) 2344 EST)

I just had another idea, make a page for Example, AKA ExampleTemplateBOB, as a layout of how a good member page should look..

By the way, about the avatars, it's probably best just to ask the respective BOBs to add in the URL themselves, since they obviously have their avatars on sites that support hot-linking... And it's not like this wiki will use very much bandwidth. There'll be less traffic here than on the ClanBOB forums... Unless of course there's a link added from the ClanBOB website..

Oy I don't like pbwiki.. but beggars musn't be choosers. Too bad ClanBOB is too small to warrant a Wikicities wiki. The the MediaWiki engine is more powerful and versatile(I specifically am fond of the comparison feature).

-Vercalos (11/20/05 2340 EST)

Silly me, there's already a section in the guidelines about naming. I will just add the bit about underscores to it. We still need someone to change the Great Crash, though.

Also, why not put something like a pound sign that will be just a single character and be able to stand for numbers in general?

-Kai

I just added an explanation of my BOBname to my member page. I tried to be self-effacing, and I hope it's an acceptable description. - Vercalos (11/20/05, 2017 EST)

*rolls eyes* Changed the members list back again. Apparently the wiki cross-referencing tool doesn't like categories of more than one character. Oh, well.

~Sam, now going to bed

Good move, but for the sake of completeness, I'm changing it to 0-9 and putting it at the end (I can't help shaking the feeling that Aaron should be first on the list). Can't imagine we'll have enough BOB handles starting with them to require a separate entry for each number.

Elsewhere, I've just updated my DiD entry and expanded the Website section a bit.

~Sam, about to go to bed again (21/11/05, 0054 GMT)

I added a 2 to the alphabet.

-Agent #1 (11-20-05, 1943 EST)

"Why not just link to the Projects page?" -- That's what 'Ferno and I decided to do, Kai. The link now lives in the Resources box, as I didn't quite manage to explain with my previous comment. <:)

~Sam

Why not just link to the Projects page? I made it for a reason: to link all the projects together in a category.

Also, I added a page for JT.

Finally, I noticed that the page for the Great Crash includes a space, and, therefore, a %20, which was generally decided against. If someone (read: inferno, probably) wants to change the page and then edit all references to it, that would be good. I also think it would be a good idea to add to the style guidelines something about "Naming Pages". Or at least something about using underscores instead of spaces.

-Kai (11-20-05, 1752 EST)

We've amended the Resources box on the front page to link to all the projects instead of just CB radio. Rather than putting it in the sidebar, which is already getting crowded, that seemed the best way to rationalise the situation.

Ex-avatars sounds like a fine idea if we can get enough storage, but it would take a while to compile. If you're willing to go through the hassle of it, I'm sure no-one would object (though it might be best to ask in the forums to check people don't mind their images being used.

As for a separate list of BOBnames, I agree with Inferno -- I really don't see the purpose of separate list. People are rarely referred to by their BOBname, and it doesn't matter which ones have already been taken, since it's only the mods who can dish them out, anyway. Furthermore, I would argue the stories about them are relevant to members' entries, since they are as much a part of that person's BOBdom as their notorious antics on the forums/IRC. Changes in BOBname can often reflect the changes those members have been through, too, so are worthy of inclusion along with their bio. Or what passes for one. ;)

In other news I've made the usual round of grammar and formatting changes; I'm just about to set up a dedicated DiD page, too.

~Sam (20/11/05, 2159 GMT)

*Projects! That's the word I was looking for. TY :0) Can we link to the projects page from the sidebar?

*Let me think about the size limit question for the graveyard. We might be able to reclaim an old ClanBOB photobucket account and link to that instead of trying to host everything on wiki.

*The point to the BOBname page would be to move their explanations from the member pages, not repeat what's there. There are some interesting stories that aren't always appropriate to be on the same page as the rest of your description, not to mention that some members have used several names in the past and listing them all on their member page would be tiresome. If nothing else, it's useful to have a page with nothing but alphabetized BOBnames, so as to see what's been taken, get ideas for new ones, or to look up names that you remember the BOBname for but not who owned it, etc. The separate page thing was to allow people to link to a name from a member page, but it would also work to set it up dictionary style if we set anchors to each entry -- better, perhaps. It's not a big deal, I won't hound you if you don't like it, just a suggestion. -feasible (11/20/05 4:38pm EST)

     I don't understand what you mean by "doodad-type" things. BOBcams is a project. It's only one thing: a project.

     An avatar graveyard would be fine and dandy. If you want to make something like that then I won't delete it. Keeping in mind that we only have 10MB of space for this free wiki. If I were doing this, I'd keep old avatars of members on their specific member entries.

     There's no reason to separate BOBnames from the descriptions of members who own said BOBnames. In fact, it's probably worse to separate them as it would mean repeated information and confusing formats.

     Though I wouldn't object to list of BOBnames in alphabetical order with links to the members who own them. Though I don't see that being any more useful than the member list we currently have implemented.

-cockEd (11/20/05 (Happy birthday me) 1550 EST)

Wow this place has grown. I have 3 suggestions, all of which I'd be happy to help with:

1. Could we have a junk drawer to hold doodad-type pages such as BOBcams? Right now they seem everywhere.

B. It would be fun to have an "Ava graveyard" for retired avatars and sigs.

III. Resurect the BOBname list but turn it on its head: this would be an alphabetical list of past and present BOBnames linked to their own page w/ various explanations. The member pages would link to a BOBname instead of using trying to explain it on the page itself (like the category and related lines). This would make keeping the member pages up to date easier and leave more space for silliness.

-feasible (11/20/05 3:30pm EST)

That's actually a good idea. I'll get to that ASAP.

-cockEd (11/20/05 (Happy birthday me) 1400 EST)

I have a few ideas on the BOBname page

* 1-Merge it with the Member list, and just list the BOBnames there, perhaps leaving the BOBname page there as a definition of a BOBname.

* 2-arrange it like the member page, with alphabetical listings, or

* 3-leave it alone until it grows long enough to warrant alphabetical listings.

-Vercalos (11/19/05 0114 EST)

I was just taking a good thing and making it smaller. That <toc> generator is really bulky. I couldn't just leave that cluttery thing there to spooge all over the content. Seriously, I would have never thought of that if not for you. Thanks.

-cockEd (11/19/05 2320 EST)

No.. I'd say that mine was convenient, but what you did was genius. Pity I didn't think of it. And I'll check it out. Oh and by the way sorry about the style stuff. I'm used to Wikipedia style wikis.

-Vercalos (11/19/05 2304 EST)

Actually, no. That thing you did with the Members page was genius. I take it back. I like what you're doing. Thanks for the effort. But you should still check out the style page. You doing some things that require proofreading and style correction.

-cockEd (11/19/05 2258 EST)

Sorry for trying to contribute to the project. Yeesh. Are my contributions really that bad?

-Vercalos [11/19/05 2256 EST]

I'm all for deleting old comments. We'll ask Nick and Sam later before we do, though.

In other news, I've made the ClanBOB Style Guide for new folks who don't notice trends.

Verc is annoying me with his edits, too.

-cockEd (11/19/05 2248 EST)

That was my idea. ;) I have been making websites for as long as I can remember.

I also think it would be a good idea to either delete or move old comments on this page. I'm not sure how the best way to do that would be. Awkward sentence! EDIT: I added an archive page (temporarily) until we can agree on what's the best thing to do in this situation.

I'm also striving to put quotes and lists inside these nice boxes.

-cockEd (11/19/05 2144 EST)

I have added a bit of material to a couple pages, and will try to add content (if I have any to add) to some of the shorter pages. Also, whoever's idea it was to put --- between the entry and the related pages/categories, it is a very good idea. I will add it to any further pages I see lacking it.

If any of you see an article that could use a bit of expanding, mention it here, and I will try to put something more in it. If I have anything more to put.

-Kai

The wiki is for an audience of which a very large majority is North American. If we're going to have a single style, it would make sense to have a North American one. Apologies for chat non-availability; I was planning on getting to bed pretty soon. I should be around tomorrow, though.

Re browsers, I'm using the latest release of Firefox, which shouldn't cause any problems. It's strange I'm getting them, but I'll just ignore them if they continue to occur. Hopefully everyone else will see things normally.

And yes, changing them yourself and linking from the relevant RP entry might be the way to go. That, after all, is what wiki is about. :)

~Sam (bedtime)

Yeah, see. The newspaper I work for has a different style. For us, it's "faculty of mathematics", not "Faculty of Mathematics". Not that I have a problem with capitalizing it, it's just not a very North-American capitalization in my mind. It's a big difference between every British-published and American-published book I've ever read. Your books have capitalization up the wazoo whereas we use them much more sparingly. I'm not complaining. Actually, I was hoping that you could share some over-the-ocean insight into the matter. I added you to my AIM list, but you don't seem to be online so I can't bark at you in real time. :(

Your <br> tags are freaky weird. What browser are you using that causes problems?

I could e-mail him... Though I think I'd rather just take the matter into my own hands, copy his material to a more appropriately named page and delete the existing ones. Yeah, I think I'll do that right now.

-cockEd (11/19/05 2036 EST)

Re capitalisation, are you talking about the Tie Guard entry? If so, I'm assuming the proper name of the university's departments is the Department of X, which would be capped, whereas the math department is a shorthand form, and should therefore by rights not be, unless it's referred to as such in an official capacity That said, it's not my university, so by all means swap it around.

The <br> tags are me, but there's a reason for them -- I sometimes can't get the formatting to look right if I just leave a space as others have done. If it's causing problems, though, I'll stop doing it (other than here, where they're useful) and let others correct formatting errors if I can't.

One more point: besides the mis-spelled Participants entry, Slash also created one called JoinInfo, which is again far too general. I think an e-mail from your good self might be in order, Herr Editorr.

~Sam, shortly after the last

Two things: your Britishness brings with it weird capitalization. And has it been you who's been putting in <br> tags in the strangest places, or is that someone else?

-cockEd (11/19/05 2020 EST)

Style and spelling. You know the drill. :)

~Sam (20/11/05, 0119 GMT)

I added the new BOBcams page as well as some minor proofreading/style changes here and there.

-cockEd (11/19/05 1615 EST)

I messed around with the front page a little. I still think we need to add some other categories to that which wouldn't go in the sidebar.

-Agent #1 (11/19/05 1304 EST)

Slash has added a section called Partcipants for his RP entry. This shouldn't be allowed, as the title "Participants" is much too broad for its use. He should be using something more specific to his particular RP so that others can do the same. Something like Slash_RP_Participants or similar.

EDIT: Even though he's spelled it wrong, it's still a problem using something so general for something so specific.

-cockEd (11/19/05 0103 EST)

Neat. Doesn't mention how Xae is universally(almost) loved, though.~Vercalos- 8:38PM Nov. 18 1847

Didn't think to mouse over and check what the link pointed to -- doubtless it's as you said, Nick. My bad -- getting tired now. Really going to bed, this time!

~Sam

I thought I had gotten rid of all the fake mercans, I shall lookinto thsi

Edit: I can't find any that dont link to mercan01 , make sure they actaully dont link to mercan01 as [mercan01|Merc] is something i've used in a lot of places

-Nick

Alert! Alert! We have two references for Merc, mercan and mercan01. That will need to be addressed.

My concern in having two difference styles of crossref is that people will get confused and use them interchangeably. That said, provided our ever-vigilant cockEd keeps them in order, I don't see a problem.

Otherwise, TS's entry embellished slightly and a touch of italicisation added to Rev's.

~Sam, about to go to bed (19/11/05, 0207 GMT)

Inferno suggested the labels "Related" and "Categories". I like them I say we go with them. I will start amending the links soon.

-Kai (11-19-05 2102 EST) (and I really need to stop posting here so much)

Since I can't tell the difference, personally, I'm not going to be adding links to related pages. Other updates I've made int he past 20 minutes include adding links to Cowkitty and Bunnysteve in the members section, changing them to "Designated LeaderBOBs" in the Timeline, and the general fixing of grammatical/spelling erros and messed up links.

-Xaefruit (11/19/05, 2058 EST)

Kai is right, also that info form ck is 100% right, I was too lazy to include that information orignally.Oh and I uncaptilized cain's name per his request

-Nick

I just like to make a distinction between a page about that has material related to what is on the current and a page covering something that the current page is a part of, categorically. I think they are different thngs, so yeah.

-Kai

I believe "Related Pages:" would cover any "See:"s or "Related:"s or "OMGCLICKTHISLINK:"s that may ever occur.

Added the Great Crash information to the Timeline. It may not be entirely accurate, but that is how it was explained to me by a certain mookitten.

-Xaeranosaurus Rex (11/19/05, 2038 EST)

So far I have been doing "See:" or something of the sort if a page is part of a more broad category (eg: Members, Projects, Role_Playing, Forums), and "Related:" or something of the sort if the other page is only related to the original, not a supercategory of it (eg: Members, BOBnames, and TabNames are all related, but not part of some larger category). I don't know, what do you guys think about it?

-Kai (11-19-05 2036 EST)

I do not mind either way, though I think "Related Pages:" would be more appropriate.

Added member pages for Feadog and Truthsnark.

-Xaenut (11/19/05, 2030 EST)

Hmm. Should we start saying "Related:" before the link to related pages instead of "See:"? It seems more descriptive.

-Kai

Minor corrections, alphabetising of BOBisms and a small addition to the Tech/Geek page, noting that BOBs can ask for help there as well as discuss Linux.

~Sam (19/11/05, 0122 GMT)

Crap, sorry, guys, I've been putting "See also:" instead of "See:". I should probably have checked that before I did it. If Inferno wants (since he seems to like repetitive tasks), he can try to fix the ones I did it to. If not, I will look at it again later.

-Kai

I made some updates to cloust's member page, added the Three Musketeers page, and linked it to the appropriate members pages.

-Xaeface

I made a page for Community Projects, and linked it to all the project's pages. I consider our Urban Dead group to be somewhat of a community project. I also interconnected Projects with Role_Playing, because I kind of consider them similar; in a project, the community works to create something, in the other, the community works to create a story. I think the link looks bad where it is on the Role_Playing page, though, but I am unsure how to separate it from the list of RPs any more than it already is. I will try to think of some more categories to interconnect more. Any suggestions?

-Kai

Unless you guys want to do it, I'll busy myself for the time being with making sure the style of new entries and edits of existing entries match up to current style standards. I'll also be doing some proofreading of recently-edited pages. KK? I'm mainly doing it so that you guys can concentrate on more important things.

-cockEd (11/18/05 2000 EST)

Okay, I will remove it. I am also going to try to interconnect it some more by connecting more entries to categories. Such as linking the pages on specific RPs in the rp section to Role_Playing and such.

-Kai

You can get rid of my quote if you want. It was really just a placeholder and excuse to use my awesome new handle. This handle thing is something they do at MathNews, where they have names like "inkEd" or "sheepEd". I figured I'd do it here, since cockEd has a nice ring to it. :P Anyway, let's just convert everything to LeaderBOB. If I see leaderBOB anywhere, I'll change it to LeaderBOB. Consistency is always woot.

-cockEd (11/18/05 1942 EST)

I added a more proper entry for you, Sam, since you of all people deserve one. I left inferno's quote intact, though. I also made some minor updates to other entries, and will probably make other minor updates as I think of them throughout the night.

-Kai

Several pages already link to leaderBOB, alas, so there'll be a bit of work if we want to switch over to LeaderBOB. As far as updates go, I've just added a section on the Community Chest to the forums page and am about to proofread the latest version of the Timeline.

And I appreciate the kind words, 'Ferno. I'm sure, this being a wiki, they won't last. :D

~Sam (19/11/05, 0035 GMT)

It already has a page as "leaderBOB", though we could always change that. I am not sure if there are any other pages that link to it, though, so I don't know if that will cause any problems. I'll leave that up to you guys to decide.

-Kai

We might as well just call it "LeaderBOB" even though most of the time we call it "leaderBOB", just for the sake of importance.

-cockEd (11/18/05 1853 EST)

TWC entry amended (linkage and crossrefs added, corrections made). Also, can we get a consensus on LeaderBOB / leaderBOB, please? My feeling is that the initial letter should be capped up, but I've seen it both ways.

~Sam (18/11/05, 2346 GMT)

If anyone moans about double-posting here, I'll... well, I'll make them a cup of tea, or something. Anyway, only the bits of my entry not written by me remain. I leave it to you lot to do something about that. Or not, as is your wont. :)

~Sam (18/11/05, 2332 GMT)

Standardisation is definitely a good thing to go for. In other news, I've added a link explaining machinima to the website page, for the few people online who aren't yet aware of it.

~Sam (18/11/05, 2317 GMT)

No problems. I figured time stamping would be a good idea so that we'd know how long ago people have made some changes. It might come in handy later. Who knows?

Anyway, I've been working on standardizing "categories" using a "see: category" section to certain entries which are obviously grouped with other entries. It'd be nice if this were kep up, so that the wiki can be as interconnected as possible.

I think Kai is working on standardizing member pages, though we're having the problem of people coming in and making their own member entries in random styles.

-Inferno (11/18/05 18:00 EST)

Thanks, 'Ferno. More minor formatting changes. No timestamp needed here, I fancy, but hey, I'll bung one in anyway, in UK date order, too. :D

~Sam (18/11/05, 2255 GMT)

As per Kai's suggestion, I took the time to flip the comments page. Now new comments should be added to the top instead of the bottom.

-Inferno (11/18/05 17:50 EST)

Should we be adding new comments to the top instead of the bottom? It would make it easier to see new ones.

-Kai

Ass++ amended to include a crossref to ++. Dan's entry amended slightly since the leaderBOBs have on a couple of occasions stressed that the clan was around before LoR. Killyourself amended because we've been told by TS the mods don't have a problem with personal posts. Entry thus made a little less definitive.

~Sam

I fixed the front page. In order to revert to a former version of a page, follow these steps: go to "All Pages" and click the "except revisions" link, so that all saved versions of pages will be displayed. Find the one you want to revert to, and there will be a "Revert page to this revision" button at the top. I reverted to the last revision of FrontPage before atari's.

-Kai

The other ClanBOB radio entry wasn't mine, but if it's now in the right place, it's all good. A couple of minor, mostly transparent, edits to formatting made, and the Members page edited slightly so we can't get blamed quite so much for omitting anyone. :)

~Sam

Sorry for that, my internet was crashing around me as I was posting.

-Atari

I am so like 10 steps ahead of kai. also I named it pluplus. no capitals

-Nick

Added a couple edits. Also, we'll just have to call the page "PlusPlus" or something, and wherever we have to link to it, we'll just need to type [PlusPlus|++] or something. Unless someone else has a better, easier to implement, idea.

-Kai

Fixed some page where I mispelled their titles. some links maybe broken. its not atari's fault relaly. ++ isn't a valid name so so I fixed that too, now we just need agent1 to restore the main page

-Nick

Who has a version of the original front page. Atari seems to have replaced it with an entry for ++.

-Gharbad

I personally like pages which have no spaces in the title as a %20 in the url looks bad. since both the links to clanbob radio pointed to the "_" version I just moved your entry there sam. also I deleted a duplicated bobism page

-Nick

I've made some minor corrections and amendments to Mopping 101 -- I doubt anyone will notice them, but aside from the problematic lower-case M at the start, which I can't seem to change, they're done. Also, we ought to rationalise the ClanBOB radio entries. There are currently two, 'ClanBOB_Radio' and 'ClanBOB Radio'.

In addition, we really need to stick with a style for the clan itself. I've so far seen it entered ClanBOB, ClanBoB, clanBOB and Clanbob (with similar versions of the BOBs). I believe we should go with the first of those, since that's how clanbob.net identifies itself.

~Sam

I just moved xae wants in your pants and synk's ass++ to bobisms as I belive them not to be global constants

-Nick